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I Fatti Vostri (Magalli)

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Giancarlo Magalli
For the closing story of today I wanted to start by showing you some images, these are images of one of those places that put a little fear in you, well a lot actually. These are images that we usually see in movies, but in those American movies with Sylvester Stallone. Look what a place, this is a prison, a U.S. prison where an Italian, one of our fellow countryman, was held with a slanderous accusation of Sexual Violence. A crime of which he has always claimed innocence and which, instead, earned him a sentence to 8 years of prison. A sentence that he served in the United States in one of those prisons so fearful and where scary things happen.
I already said that he has always maintained his innocence to the point of refusing a plea bargain. If he had bargained, he would heve been released quickly, after few months, instead he said "no, I am not confessing because I am innocent", and he spent 8 years in prison.
An absolutely dramatic experience from which he would like to exit definitely, he would like to be completely rehabilitated.
I will let you meet him. He will tell us his story. He's Carlo Parlanti.
Together with Carlo Parlanti, good morning Carlo, there is attorney Francesca Carnicelli who is his legal.
In short Carlo I would say a bad experience, isn't it?
Carlo Parlanti
Ugly
Giancarlo Magalli
I say we're used to seeing the American movies prisons and we see them as theaters of gang violence, people who practice bullying against weaker ones.
Is it an exaggeration of the movies or the reality is so cruel?
Carlo Parlanti
It is absolutely the pure reality.
It is hard to even describe the level of violence you find in a U.S. prison.
Normally I make comparisons with my brief stay in prison in Germany, where I was awaiting extradition.
I spent 11 months in a prison in Dusseldorf and I saw two fights.
In america I've seen two fights in an hour before the first dinner, in reality.
Giancarlo Magalli
So there's a very different reality.
I repeat, movies told us also because the American prison reality is different from our.
They have a little less guards and let the prisoners fight between them a little more.
In short, more often than not they do not get involved, they respect these gangs who tend to have territorial control inside prison and this causes, in short, things, very bad things.
But one may says "oh well, he killed his father - mother - sister - etc. he deserved it a bit".
In reality you did nothing at all, not even that of which you were accused.
You were even accused of being a rapist, actually against a person with whom you were engaged and that perhaps was angry at you because in short you left her.
Carlo Parlanti
We were not really engaged, but there had been a relationship, this woman lived in my apartment.
It was a relationship of convenience because at that time I traveled a lot since I was responsible for an international project for a multinational company in California.
Giancarlo Magalli
Sure.
Carlo Parlanti
 But I traveled a lot around the world and this woman had lived for few months at my house.
Giancarlo Magalli
In your house that was often free and so she stayed there.
But then you had another relationship.
What angered that woman to the point of accusing her of something you didn't do?
Carlo Parlanti
Two things not one.
I started a relationship with another person, a more serious relationship and therefore I was trying to clarify a little bit let's say the relationship with this partner because it was clearly not a comfortable situation, to have a friend who lives in your house and to start a relationship with another person.
Giancarlo Magalli
Difficult to explain to a girlfriend, in short.
Carlo Parlanti
To explain it to both.
And therefore that was a first clutch.
The second clutch came when I had an opportunity to go back to work in Europe and I left the USA permanently.
I came back to Europe to start my own business with some colleagues in Gibraltar.
Giancarlo Magalli
And it was in Europe that America justice reached you.
You told it yourself, you were in Germany, in Dusseldorf, when they practically took you and brought you to prison.
Carlo Parlanti
Two years have passed, two years without any news, apart from some extreme attempt of this person who lived in my house to try to contact me through friends, acquaintances, former colleagues.
For the rest nothing for two long years.
I opened a company in Gibraltar, I traveled in Europe and also in Canada. I finally accepted a position as manager of an Irish company and when I was arrested I was just going from Dublin to Dusseldorf for the commercial negotiations for the acquisition of another company.
Giancarlo Magalli
In short then you were relaxed and did not think at all that in the meantime all this was going on.
Attorney Carnicelli, when actually started this whole affair, because he was arrested after two years.
But this woman has made the complaint immediately or has waited two years?
Avvocato Francesca Carnicelli
This woman, Mrs. White, did the complaint on July 18, 2002 and has acted, as she claims, a few days after the facts of the rape and, however, the assault than she has also described as extremely fierce.
But from the beginning there were initial problems because Mrs. went to the police of Ventura on July 18 2002 precisely stating that she had been raped a few days before.
She was photographed.
She had no sign, not even a bruise and then after a few days she went back to the police of Ventura saying "no, I was wrong, in fact no rape occurred not a few days ago but in the month of June, at the end of June".
I think that clearly this can not be very credible.
It is not like remembering when one has bought a new TV, one should remember, especially compared to the ferocity of the attack which is described.
Then these bruises reappeared mysteriously, yes the following month, so at that point in August to mid-August, she went to a doctor in Oklahoma.
And this doctor certifies that the lady's eyes are blacks which is not apparent from the photographs taken by the police of Ventura on July 18.
Let's say that she should have been taken with pliers.
Perhaps they should not have even started.
Amongst other things, there were no witnesses to what this lady stated, and she had the objective reasons of resentment against Carlo.
Giancarlo Magalli
 But instead it was all taken for good.
Avvocato Francesca Carnicelli
Yes, in addiction the lady, in the following months and year, continued to collect certifications in which it is stated for example that on November 5th, that is many months after the facts, still persisted bruises and signs of injuries, which I repeat did not exist, pictures are in thge records, on July 18th.
Giancarlo Magalli
Then there was a trial in absentia, what happened.
Avvocato Francesca Carnicelli
No, no, the trial was conducted in the presence of Mr. Parlanti.
An arrest warrant was issued, so he was arrested before being tried.
Yes he was arrested for being brought to trial.
Giancarlo Magalli
So an international arrest warrant was issued, in practice.
Avvocato Francesca Carnicelli
It's in Dusseldorf that Mr. Parlanti became aware not only to be subjected of an investigation in the United States for these very serious facts but also that he had been reported as a dangerous subject and potentially armed.
Giancarlo Magalli
And then to be taken to the United States and tried you were first detained, but you said 11 months.
Carlo Parlanti
11 months yes.
11 months because it took about six months for the German process of 3 appeals to try to avoid extradition.
Obviously I was trying to get extradited to Italy to have criminal proceedings in Italy.
I have tried in every way to the point of reporting myself in Italy for these facts.
And after that we had to wait another 5 months because we also appealed.
Giancarlo Magalli
And you have always been in prison during this time or have you been given some bail?
Carlo Parlanti
No, I have always been in prison.
Bail has always been refused in Germany.
Giancarlo Magalli
Therefore 11 months in a jail in Dusseldorf pending extradition, which was then accepted, and then you were extradited to the United States .
Carlo Parlanti
Certainly.
Giancarlo Magalli
There you were brought to trial and that lady was present.
She obviously reiterated all the charges.
Carlo Parlanti
Not only, while I was waiting to be extradited, the lady came to know that the extradition would take place.
She started to have symptoms again.
No, they were not able to justify bruises after three years, however, she began to complain of symptoms.
At this point she spoke of having had a skull fracture, loss of cerebro-spinal fluid, Hulk himself does not cause this type of damage.
And she ended up being seen from a doctor five...
Giancarlo Magalli
But you must have been represented, now, attorney Carnicelli was not there in the U.S. but there was an attorney and he has not been able...
Only those of OJ Simpson manage to free criminals.
You did not have a lawyer who was able to dismantle this accusations?
Carlo Parlanti
This castle was partly concealed because, for example, all the medical evidence we're talking about right now somehow was not admitted in criminal proceedings.
And I myself - my family - the Italian consulate were not aware of these documents.
We are in doubt about the real reason why the U.S. lawyer, who was a paid one, let's say did not inform us of the existence of all these false medical reports etc.
Giancarlo Magalli
I said before that you were offered the opportunity to bargain.
Carlo Parlanti
Yes, as many as 3 times.
Giancarlo Magalli
They offered you, they said "you confess, and then you'll go".
How long would you have get if you had confessed?
Carlo Parlanti
Well all three times I was offered to bargain for the only charge of rape and offered a sentence of three years with 50%.
Therefore a 18-month sentence to be served.
The first time I was offered this I had already spent 11 months in Germany and 4 months...
Giancarlo Magalli
So you would have been released after 4 months in practice.
Carlo Parlanti
Yes. The second and third time I had already done more then 7 months therefore I had already served everything, more or less.
Giancarlo Magalli
I think it's a strong temptation, not?!
Also because in the meantime you were locked up in a U.S. prison when you arrived in the U.S.
So you were already in touch with this reality, not exactly an holiday village.
But you never considered the possibility of making up a crime you did not commit, just to get out of that hell?
Carlo Parlanti
No it was such an absurd thing, the accusations so delirious that I never even dreamed of accepting.
I must admit that I still had doubts.
Giancarlo Magalli
Well one must think about it for certain... however, you always decided against it.
Did you know what was on the other plate of the scale?
Did you know that the alternative could be 8 years in prison?
Carlo Parlanti
Truth be told I had been explained that the worst alternative would have been 5 years in prison, not 8.
But I had an idea of what I was risking.
I even come to ask the court, the last time I was made an offer of settlement, to speak with my mother and my girlfriend of the time to ask them if I had their support, If they would have remained close to me if I made this choice.
They gave me their support and I did.
Giancarlo Magalli
And you took this decision that is certainly a decision consistent with your innocence, but that costed you a long detention in a foreign territory, in short, in a condition certainly not ideal.
I imagine there were difficult times.
How were you received?
How is a foreigner suspected of rape welcomed in an U.S. prison?
Carlo Parlanti
First of all, I lived in a special place within the U.S. prison.
They have made special areas that are dedicated to crimes of sexual nature or people who left those famous gang of which you spoke a few minutes ago, who must be protected from attacks by other gangs.
Within these special areas the risk decreases slightly.
It is still a big problem because you do not have an entourage, a race group to rely on.
Giancarlo Magalli
In short, it has not been possible to demonstrate your innocence in America.
For America you are a convict who has been detained and that he served his sentence?
Carlo Parlanti
Although it is as long as three years, at the cost of hunger strikes, that I revealed these falsified evidence, nevertheless I am in effect a loser.
I served my sentence and I paid what was right .
Giancarlo Magalli
No, what was right not.
Well, in short, what was right for them, but you paid a price that is likely to go beyond the eight years.
In your career, and in your life, will not this judgment weigh?
If you wanted to return to work in the U.S., you have criminal record, which carries a sentence...
Carlo Parlanti
I do not think I'll ever go back because I was expelled for life.
Every time you commit a crime in the United States you are expelled, for small crimes the expulsion can be 5 or 10 years but for major crimes you are expelled for life.
Giancarlo Magalli
And this may already be a prejudice, beacuse for your work...
Carlo Parlanti
I'ts a huge prejudice.
I could not even go over to Australia or in other countries in the Commonwealth, because they do not accept people with criminal records.
Giancarlo Magalli
And you can not do anything?
Attorney can he be rehabilitated in some way?
You cannot ask ?
Avvocato Francesca Carnicelli
We have a goal which is to try to get a new trial in Italy just to prove the innocence of Mr. Parlanti.
The actions we are taking are this one and the other is to file charges in the United States against all the people who made these false medical reports, because they are objectively false.
Giancarlo Magalli
Right, that could be a good reason if it is admitted the denuntiation for fake documents and there is evidence it could also reopen the case of Mr. Parlanti.
Avvocato Francesca Carnicelli
We hope it will be reopened regardless of the decision by U.S. authorities based on our own denunciations.
Giancarlo Magalli
It's not fair, not fair what he went through which is a kind of hell, I remind you 8 years, and it is unfair that he continues to pay the consequences, a stain he did not deserve.
To have his work and his life affected.
All because a woman has invented something that did not happen.
Let's hope well.
I really hope it for you, at least have the satisfaction to erase all this from your life.
Carlo, I really hope.
I really hope that attorney Carnicelli will do the impossible to get you out of this story, I'm sure you didn't deserve it, you could avoid it but you refused.
Carlo Parlanti
Thank you...
Giancarlo Magalli
Best wishes and good luck.
Carlo Parlanti
Thank you so much.
Giancarlo Magalli
We were pleased to meet you.
It 's hard eight years in a U.S. prison...
It's hard especially if you did nothing!

I Fatti Vostri (Magalli)

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